Time to go, Mr Brown?

Posted by Greg McDonald

As Henley Conservatives wash up the champagne glasses this morning, electoral blues are getting to be an all too familiar hangover for Gordon Brown.

But given that John Howell’s election in Boris Johnson’s safe Tory seat was a foregone conclusion, does the Henley by-election result tell us anything Crewe and Nantwich didn’t?

Well, in a sense, yes. It tells us David Davis’s sabre-rattling hasn’t shaken Project Cameron, and that June’s polls showing Labour at a record low were spot-on.

But essentially, no. This result simply confirms what we all knew: that unless something drastic happens, one troubled year after Gordon Brown took over at the top, a new Prime Minister mightn’t be far away.

Of course, Brown’s supporters claim his low ebb is economic - and they've given their man two years to turn the tide. But on the strength of this result, that might be a far too generous buffer.

For while Labour has two years left in government, Brown may not. Wealthy Labour donors who’ve become rich by backing a winner won’t stand by and watch too many more of these humiliating defeats - and neither will the Labour MPs who stand to lose their seats in 2010. Both groups are chattering about selecting an alternative leader.

We may well be closer than we thought to getting a David in 10 Downing Street: just don’t be too shocked if it’s David Miliband.

Comments

[taffyph1l]

i think john smith will be turning in his grave too, this lot lost the plot a long time ago.they show nothing but contempt for ordinary people and got no given right to claim to be the party of the people and working classes anymore.

[Brian]

Enoch Powell must be turning in his grave

[PRAVDA]

'and now accusing me of being Spanish which is another topic which is off topic'

I should have realised that you were a total literalist, and that irony was beyond your grasp.

'Create your own blog'

Since the BNP has its own sites, such as the ones you often try to promote, this advice would be best applied to yourself. So why is the BNP present here? Obviously the answer is to use blogs such as Orange as a propaganda tool. And that is why, apart from your natures, you don't like it when that propaganda fuction is dented and tarnished.

[John]

Crikey, bit lively in here aint it? Just goes to show just how big a failure effective two party politics isnt doesnt it? the tories are just as bad as the labour lot, the only reason people take a shine to them is because a) theyre sick of the current government (due to legit matters and a huge amount of press bias) b) "I'll vote the tories as they are the only other party in with a chance of winning" - if everyone I knew who has said that voted for me I'D win the election.

If the media actually made all of the parties mandates available and actually reported on politics rather than the "he said, she said" the current two inept parties at the top go over then people will be able to make an informed decision - sadly - NEITHER party would want that.

I really hope our politics doesnt become like America's, but year on year it looks like that is the case - eventually one of two things will happen, either sense will prevail, or a kneejerk response will occur and people will vote BNP - THEN people will know what it will be like to live in a country gone to the dogs.

[NotanInquisitororSpanish]

REMINDER! PRAVDA is still taking everyone off topic and hijacking this blog, and now accusing me of being Spanish which is another topic which is off topic, and not about the original topic, which is not very topical, but very very typical.

[PRAVDA]

Shhhhh .... I was certainly abusive towards the BNP neo-Nazis on this thread, but it was they who were first abusive on the earlier thread, and I have observed them act in the same manner many times towards anyone who challenges their racist views.

So another name change? Now 'Inquisitor', and how like your namesakes from the Spanish Inquisition you are. I must have you bully-boys really worried!

[Inquisitor]

REMINDER! PRAVDA is still taking everyone off topic and hijacking this blog. Create your own blog PRAVDA or have you no manners?

[Shhhhhh!]

PRAVDA, I don't like to press the point but you were the first to be abusive and there was only one reference to the BNP at that stage which only reported a percentage gain in their votes.

Just because someone says they would like to hang this Brown clown or whatever doesn't mean to say they are fascists or even BNP supporters. People get angry, you too, so when that happens we all say things most of us couldn't actually do if it came to the crunch.

Everyone is letting off steam and no wonder given the idiotic way Labour is running this country. I have to say also if you are looking for fascists have a closer look at New Labour, you might be surprised how many match up.

[PRAVDA]

Footnote:

I find the term 'multiculturalism' something of a misnomer. It seems to be more of an attempt to enforce a liberal view of toleration onto us, and force us to tolerate those who do not tolerate us in return. Were it truly 'multicultural' I would probably have more sympathy with it.

And a PS:

Since Islamists, most communists, and fascists would deny a political platform to others, I can't really see that there's any moral obligation in a democracy to give one to them. That's another phoney liberal myth.

[PRAVDA]

There we see it once again, BNP Bob uses offensive language against me. If I retaliate in kind we'll have other BNP members saying 'why do you use abusive language against us?'. It's a pathetic little game boys, and it should be evident to all.

Bob, one does not negate the other. Yes, unrestricted immigration has produced numerous social problems as well as the economic ones (and I have some data that was leaked to me regarding the number of asylum seekers being held on rape charges against under age girls, but since I can't verify it, and it was given in confidence from an 'inside' source, I can't really post it). But Stephen Lawrence was murdered by yobs who give vocal support to the BNP, while the way the BBC gained and broadcast the views of your leader wasn't acceptable, none-the-less what he said is what he said. And white on black racial attacks do increase in any constituency the BNP targets. And Bob, I said I didn't like multiculturalism, but I also said that, unlike you, I celebrate and enjoy cultural diversity.

Shhhhh! I'm afraid that the BNP are neo-Nazis. It's exactly what they are. However strongly they deny it as they try to gain the political credibility they crave, the evidence is there. It does raise an interesting question that I'm afraid I don't have an answer to. How come it's possible to have Nationalist parties in Scotland and Wales that have nothing to do with fascism, but any attempt to create a National Party in England (or Inga-land) is always dominated by fascists? Like I say, it's one that I can't answer. It should be possible to have a non-fascist English National Party (if it's 'British', do the BNP plan to invade Scotland to enforce the union should the SNP win an independence vote?), but sadly it seems that it's impossible.

[Bob]

So BNP supporters are responsible for the STephen Lawrence tragedy !
Its self haters like you that have been responsible for the deaths of thousands of white people in this country through lapse immigration control .
Kris Donald , Gavin Hopley , Charlene Downes etc , etc , etc.
Take a look what your spineless " patriots " have done to my people.

www.iamanenglishman.co.ukroguesgallery.

You are a traitor . You don,t like multiculturalism so instead of growing a pair of testicles and backing a party that wishes to reverse the trend , you hide behind the plastic patriot CONS.
If the CONservatives had taken care of the Union flag there would be no need for the BNP.
You are a coward who puts money before the love of his land and people.
When the muck hits the fan , which it will, what safe haven will you be running to ?

COWARD.

[Shhhhh!]

PRAVDA you just don't get it. People are calling you a commie because you act like one. You are calling people Nazis, Morons, Scum etc simply because they have views opposite to yours and that's undemocratic and very communist like.

I'm willing to believe you're not a Communist and neither are other people Nazis. Let's just agree to disagree and get out of the playground.

[PRAVDA]

'replace it with a slanging match'

It was the Tweedle (very) Dums of the BNP that decided to use obscenity against me on the thread that has now disappeared (as they also did to someone who posts as 'Jon'). When I retaliated the Tweedle Dees of the BNP wanted to know why I was abusive towards them. If you watch them, that's the silly little game they play with anyone who challenges them.

'REMINDER! Everyone should now ignore PRAVDA'

That indicates that I must have the BNP Brownshirts worried. Perhaps you bully-boys need Joey Goebbels back to give you a hand with the propaganda.

'I believe PRAVDA means Truth and Justice'

It does indeed. The truth is that the BNP are neo-Nazi scum. And the justice they should receive is the same justice their yob supporters dished out to Stephen Lawrence.

My father fought Nazis. He saw half the crew of the destroyer he was CPO on killed. He saw Nazis machine gun men in the water. His elder brother, an uncle I never knew, died fighting Nazis, he was in the infantry. There's no way I'll back down before such scum.

'the Tory party now are certainly more libertarian than they have been for a while, and are the best of a bad bunch.'

Absolutely, I'm in regular email contact with several of them (and none of them is so stupid that they think a Kropotkinite is a 'commie' ... if you think it's bad with McBroon and the Last of the Slummer Whine, just imagine what it would be like if the morons of the BNP ever did gain power!). I save the violent rhetoric and PRAVDA personna for the neo-Nazi BNP scum here. But I owe you an apology Outthebigots, since you were appearing posting with or near them, I took you to be one of them. They lie and pervert language, as in their use of 'patriot', and 'nationalist', and in the way they try to claim our flag as theirs, so I took you to be one of them doing the same. Sorry about that.

Brown is finished and NuLab are totally discredited, it's just how long we have to wait to be rid of them that's the problem.

[Nopolitics]

Hey guys, stop winding up that commie PRAVDA. It's not his fault he can't share in a democratic civiised debate. I mean can a dog be expected to sing? Like a dog he's chasing his own tail, or should that be tale?

As far as Brown is concerned everything we need to hear has been said about him and all of it rings true. However, I feel we have only got the government we deserve. Whether we like to admit it or not very few of us protested against his methods when things were booming. Only now do most of the populace realise what a self indulgent, wasteful and irresponsible time it was. We elected a bunch of balloons and now they've bursted we've all got to breathe the bad air.

[B Wylie]

Brown should go but what frightens me is looking at the rest of the Labour Front Bench, in 60 years watching politics, I have never seen a bigger bunch of no-talent incompetent misfits. At least Blair lied well, neither Brown or the rest of his gang have any talents for anything and are in complete denial about the damage they have done to my country.

[Brian Wylie]

Brown is not only helping the Tories, he is giving the BNP a leg up. Brown shares one thing with Mugabe, nothing short of a nuclear explosion will shift either of them

REMINDER! Everyone should now ignore PRAVDA. It/she/he is only trying to disable the discussion about GB & Co and replace it with a slanging match

[OuttheBigots]

PRAVDA - Surprisingly, when we get beneath the rhetoric, we hold similar views. I wholeheartedly support the removal of Mugabe and Brown, and the Tory party now are certainly more libertarian than they have been for a while, and are the best of a bad bunch.

[PRAVDA]

Having just checked on-line, the spelling is 'Durutti', I was correct. However, I did put an extra 'L' in column, and the sooner you fascists are dispatched there the better ..... 'Ell, that is!

[PRAVDA]

I actually regard anarchism as an idealist position, not a realistically attainable one. And in any case I'm more of a Kropotkinite than a disciple of those rather extreme groups, although I do like the way they treated fascists ... 'take no prisoners', but since I doubt if any of you Nazis have read 'Mutual Aid', I doubt if I could debate it with you. In today's world I tend to regard libertarian and authoritarian as more relevant paradigms than the old left and right. And McBroon is an authoritarian, so is Mugabe, and so are you fascists from the BNP. And that's why today I give my support to the more libertarian wing of the Tory party. But I just can't resist winding up you goosestepping fascist scum.

Spelling mistakes? Yes, I make them when I'm tired, but then I do take all references from memory. But I only mentioned those names because you Seig Hielers were constantly accusing me of being a communist.

But yes Alf, the sooner we see the back of McBroon and his cohort, the better it will be for all.

[alf]

brown has had it, he has been taking money out of our pensions,pockets,and even signed our rights away so we are nearly controlled by europe,i imagine if anything he will join the scotish party and sod them up as well,

Call me paranoid but I'm convinced this lot is doing it's best to disassemble this once great nation and strange that so many of them seem to be Scots, and why is Scotland always given favours like free student fees which are denied to us?

We also fund the devolution process. They're a bl**dy Trojan horse and the sooner we have an English Parliament with only English MPs in it the better.

Everyone should now ignore PRAVDA. It/she/he is only trying to disable the discussion about GB & Co and replace it with a slanging match. Now who else would like to see this anti british commie government bite the dust?

[OuttheBigots]

PRAVDA - As is usually the case with rabid bigots you do not read what other people write. No one but you has mentioned the Spanish civil war anarchist militia groups the friends of Durruti, and the iron column. (Incidentally your spelling was incorrect on both names.)Your constant insults aimed at people who do not share your minority opinions indicates that you cannot make an intelligent argument to substantiate your inconsequencial views. I believe PRAVDA means Truth and Justice, which is an oxymoron when linked to the bilge that you spout. You should look for a name that is more appropriate. Look up the translation for B*ll*cks.

[PRAVDA]

So dumb that you think the Friends of Durutti and the Iron Collumn were communists. A bunch of twits (wrong vowel there, I think), who can't even use Google for a spot of research, but then you'd have to learn to read something more complex than 'Janet and John' and 'Mein Kampf', wouldn't you? But 'shut up'? Never, every time you scum post your vile propaganda I'm going to come back at you.

And by the way bully-boys, your vocabulary and your sentence structure (or lack of it) give away your IDs whatever names (or lack of them) you use.

'Henley'/'Hendon' ... what the hell? It's one of those leafy suburban wealthy London net-twitching zones where the geek Gestapo crawl out of holes in the woodwork when ever the lights are out. And your lights are always out!

'Anti-British' does describe you concentration camp guards however. As I said previously, we'd have hanged you for the traitors you are back in 1940. That's why your phoney claims to 'patriotism' and 'nationalism' are so offensive to anyone with even a modicum of grey matter. And why your attempts to wrap yourself in the Union flag are so absurd and inappropriate, the only flag that hides your bare-assed nakedness is the one with a bloody big swastika in the middle.

PRAVDA? Yes that says it all, a raging anti British commie who's only raging because communism everywhere is dying the death, so why don't you do likewise or just make it easy on yourself and shut up, nobody is impressed.

[OuttheBigots]

We are quite aware of where you come from, PRAVDA,- from the darkest,nastiest corners of communism. You spit your venom at the BNP fascists, and can't see that you hold equally extreme, outdated views. Incidentally, Boris Johnson's old seat, and the bye election was at Henley, not Hendon. I expect when you start your revolution you'll get lost.

[SUZY Q9]

There must be many people, especially older women (empty nesters, divorcess etc) who are part-time workers, and therefore on pro-rata salaries, who have also lost out due to the loss of the 10% tax band, but I haven't noticed many comments regarding this group of Gordon's victims - do we count? We do lots of low-paid jobs in the NHS etc and now subsidise the better off middle income families!! Why has Gordon ignored us? Why does he think only of people claiming family tax credits, as if we all have young children - how stupid!

[PRAVDA]

So the invasion of Poland was a 'lie' was it? Just like the concentration camps were a lie!

I am amused that you Waffen SS clones from the Boorish Nutters' Party have managed to force NuLab into 5th place, perhaps it will propel you down Whitehall to the newly named Reichstag ... don't forget your can of petrol and your box of matches. And you did finally get more votes than the Monster Raving Loony Party, but then they did field a particularly bad candidate, and obviously the good people of Hendon thought your man was the bigger joke [they like a laugh in Hendon, they elected Boris].

It may surprise you, but I actually agree with you over some of the problems you see, but not with your pathetic neanderthal pig-ignorant racism (there I go insulting the porcine species again! And neanderthals were intellectual giants compared to you mob). And I have no sympathy whatsoever with your simplistic moronic analysis and imbecilic attempts to come up with solutions (the 'final solution', isn't it?).

I know you crave and ache for mainstream political recognition, but since you'll never get it,why don't you go out and have a good old book burning, just like in the old days?

Given the economic and social conditions pertaining in this country your performance hardly warrants an encore, to call it 'pathetic' would be undue praise.

So you want to know where I'm coming from do you? Remember the Friends of Durutti and the Iron Collumn, fascist scum! And then remember what they did to fascists!

[14 words of truth]

Pravda , those brave soldiers died because they were proud soldiers . The reason they went to war was for gold and a lie .
In a recent blog you said the BNP were making no headway whatsoever , scratches head.

So come on Pravda , whose side are you on ?

You,re not Billy Bragg are you , typing in from the Ivory Tower ?

[contra]

Pravda, looks like you'd hang everyone. Exactly whose side are you on? Please tell.

[PRAVDA]

CONGRATULATIONS

To Doodlebug Dave, Bobbykins, and all the rest of the Brutish Nazi Party supporters on the Orange blog. What an amazing victory! 3.58% of the vote in one of the most right-wing constituencies in the country. And against a prime minister who is even more unpopular than Thatcher and Lord North rolled into one, and beating a NuLab clique that has lost all political credibility, and has sold-out the working class of this country, betraying any ideology that the Labour Party may once have had. Yes, what an amazing victory indeed! And in a by-election too, not the sort of place where people are willing to make a protest vote that they won't adhere to in a general election.

Sadly Bobbykins, those dead soldiers you refer to died fighting the likes of you. And Nazis made deals with the likes of Krupps, just like NuLab has made deals with the richest 10%.

But I'm all for the lamppost and piano-wire solution! It's just that I'd hang you fascists alongside the politicians and the Islamists.

[Flyonawall]

Do you think when the time comes we should allow these pillocks to choose the lamp post they will be hung from or just do it anyway?

They sure as hell don't give us any choices like voting in a referendum for example, which should be basic rights in this so called democratic society, but as always they think they know better what's good for us, a bit like Mugabe though not as bloodthirsty (yet).

[Bob]

They are not fit to wipe our brave soldiers arses or lick our Grandfathers boots who died defending our so called freedom.
Come the uprising theres quite a few i want standing against that wall.

[bertiewoo]

10p tax!!!
They had a whole year to figure out the implications. The man in the street could see this would affect the lower paid. They didn't. If they could not see this, are they really fit to govern.

[Dave]

The BNP vote up by 3.6% , the largest gain by any of the parties.
What a shame to see liebour pushed into fourth place by those nasty waysists !!!!

Keep pushing you brave folk , well done to one and all.

[Typical]

To take away the 10p tax band like he did and think he could get away with it or that there was nothing wrong with it just shows how totally unfit for leadership he really is.

[Equilibrium]

Gordon nearly went to the country when he first took over, but bottled out. At that time people thought he might be useless, but now he has left them in no doubt. At that time he may have conned a narrow majority, but under his tenure, without Bliar's spin, and deceit, new labour has been outed as the party of sleaze, subterfuge, and gross incompetence. If he were a man of principle he would end it now by calling an immediate election, but don't hold your breath.

[Buzz Dennis]

Does Greg McDonald consider the damage done to Labour if they appoint a second un-elected Prime Minister. With more economic bad news coming down the line I doubt that Miliband could resist the pressure for a general election. Brown will limp on and even he may be forced into an election not of his choosing. I see no hope for Labout now or in 2 years, with Brown, Miliband or even Tony Blair, who after all is the joint architect of Browns problems. Those like Kinnock who say it is possible for Brown to recover popularity are nuts!

[Les]

Good Bye GB, Good Bloody riddance you Gert Bungling idiot. Great Britain doesn't need GB.